Tuesday 22 July 2008

I think I may just pinch myself. No, I'm not dreaming.

I wrote about knives recently. 'When I was a lad' we all had them, but didn't do bad things with them. That sort of smug twaddle.

There was an interesting following discussion about knife crime and based on my own experience it seems to me that owning or carrying knives is not the problem whatever the government thinks. I carry a knife with me all the time. It's invaluable.

Which leads me into a tiny digression. We had our village fête last weekend, and while I was waiting to be served some food I realised that the lady behind the counter was searching for a knife to cut the baguette with. I produced my knife which she accepted gratefully, cut up the baguette and handed it back. No shock horror at a strange man producing a knife and no shock horror of the "How do I know you haven't been slicing peanuts or kiwi fruit with that" variety.

Which leads me to digression number two. Oh dear. The last one. Anyway, I was serving behind the bar at this fête. Although our village is tiny, just a hamlet, the fête is a famous commemoration of the Resistance. It attracts a couple of thousand people every year, which is extraordinary. I was serving from 7 pm to about 1:30 am, one of six volunteers, so you can see that drink was flowing, yet I did not see one drunk / disorderly person all evening. The French, around here anyway, don't seem to drink, fight and projectile vomit the way the Brits do.

OK, back to the point. It is this quote from The Telegraph, in an article on knife crime: "The first responsibility when a child is in trouble or at risk of getting into trouble rests with the parents. We must hold parents responsible." Gordon Brown himself, no less.

So the thing that had me pinching myself was what that quote implies. Is is really the case that parents are *not* responsible for the mayhem that their children create? Good grief, when did we lose this particular plot? It explains a lot. Such as why some parents don't know where their children are or who they are with. Given that they are clearly already neglectful, their attitude might change if they were at least handed the bill for restorative justice.

I sometimes wonder if the great and the good, that is those who engineer society on our behalf, were ever boys (well, of course I accept that some of them were very pleased not to be). Boys, and especially adolescent boys, are really quite intrinsically dangerous. They need a lot of socialisation, and some of it heavy handed. They are not hugely influenced by discussions about why their behaviour is wrong (duh, is that actually news to them?) or how to meet the obligations of a contract put together by a well-meaning but criminally optimistic social worker.

"Boys will be boys". Indeed, and some of them are little shits too.

PS - I've noticed that the media tend to refer to "children in trouble" or "at risk". Be more accurate to call them "troublesome children". God, I'm in a real grump tonight.

12 comments:

Baino said...

Well put Ernest. I get a bit sick of the attempt to 'ban' everything over here as a panacea for a very small group of adolescent troublemakers. It's illegal to carry a knife!

Sure some boys are going to do damage but my son's had a Swiss army knife in his pocket since he was 10 and to my knowledge hasn't slashed anyone with it yet! Comes in bloody handy when I'm caught without a corkscrew too!

Janelle said...

ah. exactly. eveyone here carries pangas. and even into the bank. xx janelle xx oh and ps. you don't sound grumpy . . ?

Unknown said...

I'm not surprised you're in a real grump, hard to avoid the grumps these days with everyone spouting doom and gloom and then more of the same.

I think you've put this so well, Ernest. D also carries a handy knife with him, never used it for anything more dangerous that to slice open redbait lying on the beach for the seagulls to feast on.

I think "them what knows" (or rather don't know) seem to think great sweeping statements will solve everything, they get stuck in the generality of generalisations and forget to see the difference between the woods and the trees. Blanket treatment and damn the rest. Er, hello, reality check please. But then maybe that involves too much complex thinking...
I think I'll grump right along with you!
:-)

John said...

baino - blimey those Swiss Army knives are useful. Remember going on holiday and at the end of the day's travel wanting a bottle of wine - but no corkscrew. But hang on a sec ....

janelle - what a thought, pangas on the streets of London. Nice not to be a grump, but I think I'll have to keep AV company!

AV - nice to see you again. Why are these oafs in charge of our lives? That, I think, is one of the big unanswered questions of the age.

Dumdad said...

I always had a penknife on me when I were a lad (I was a Wolf Cub). I only stabbed to death two other boys who, if memory serves, were annoying me.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger although not in those two boys' cases obviously.

On a serious note, there is a problem in the UK with knives but I wonder if all the media attention isn't exacerbating it. They mention how many people have been stabbed to death in London but I'd like to know how that compares to 10 years, 20, 30 ago.

mouse (aka kimy) said...

I used to always have my swiss army knife on hand - in my backpack or bag...but post 9-11 I have gotten away from the practice since there are so many blasted metal detectors and so many paranoid folks about ..

I remember as I kid we often threw knives for fun...and we were 'good kids' it was just one of the things we did in the 1960s.... ah times have changed!

John said...

dumdad - very good; I'm sure they richly deserved it.

On the knife thing, I worry that the attention is on supply. As you say (and I see mouse also) we all had knives. Therefore the owning of knives may be a neccessary, but is certainly not a sufficient condition for their inappropriate use. And what are we going to do about kitchen knives?

There is a parallel with drug use. The government wants to make it difficult to get hold of drugs, but the real question is why people want to use them.

But for me the big question has to be why, when apparently our lives have never been better in terms of education, information, state safety nets, help for disfunctional families etc etc we have what feels like a dysfunctional society? Or in microcosm, why do boys want to stab other boys? At that age, had ethics failed me, I really think I would have been too sqeamish.

mouse - absolutely, I lost a very good pair of nail clippers with cutting edges about 5mm long because I may have killed the pilot with them.

And I had forgotten about knife throwing. We had hours of fun honing our technique so the blade would strike, and not the handle; which somehow got more than its fair share.

Karen said...

I produced my Swiss army knife in Tesco's recently. Only to cut an annoying tag off a pair of socks mind you, but I got some funny looks. Either you're the sort of person who'll do damage with a knife or you're not. I agree with Dumdad that the media attention seems to be glamourising it all rather. My husband reckons things are no worse than they were years ago, we just hear about it more these days.

As for 'blame the parents' well, yes, I understand that up to a point I'm responsible for my own 'troublesome' teenage lad (not a knife wielding one thank goodness) but I have two other teenagers who are perfectly 'normal' so am I a good parent or a bad one??

Milla said...

damn right - God forbid some blame might be attached anywhere. (have FNIALLY got around to acknowledge your kindness in saying you liked my blog - although I might have exaggerated your words a little. teehee)

John said...

karen - I would only blame some parents. But I would hold them all responsible, financially, for what their kids do. That way they would keep more up to date with what their kids are up to, with whom and where.

milla - not at all, I love it when you are angry. Double teehee.

Millennium Housewife said...

There are some really interesting points in there Earnest. When I had my daughter and began to raise her I found that parenting came quite easily and that I could 'read' her pretty well. Then I had my son and it all went out the window. Even though he is only one, I can't read him in the same way, I don't get him. My sister feels the same way about her (older) son. Good parenting for boys needs a father figure, not necessarily the father just an authority figure. Husband has provided many valuable insights into my son and I am learning as I go. But the 'heavy hand' during his teenage years will necessarily come from Husband. In return I am helping Husband see when he has completely and utterly been wound round our daughter's finger and made to do something he had previously said he wouldn't. And yes, the scary thing is that she may have learned the tricks from me...
Husband had a knife as a boy too, a huge scout knife, he keeps it by the bed even now. He never used it maliciously, but was very proud of all the uses he put it to. The knife culture that is prevalent today is a symptom not a cause of societies ills, it should not be addressed in isolation. Oh dear, I am on my soap box again, I'll stop now... MH

John said...

mh - thanks for your very thoughtful comment, plenty of interest there. I have two girls so missed out on the comparisons, but it is so clear that there are differences. Little boys are great, but they do drift into thuggishness in a way that girls don't in my not at all humble opinion.